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SBG Sword Forum :: Discussions of Swords, Traditional Weapons & Medieval Equipment :: European Medieval and Renaissance Swords :: Windlass Hero's Warsword Page 1 of 2 » Jump to page   Go     Author Topic: Windlass Hero's Warsword (Read 2,442 times) malchya Man at Arms member is offline Joined: Jun 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 47 Karma: 2 Windlass Hero's Warsword « Thread Started on Jul 17, 2010, 12:28pm » I admit that this one intrigues me. I am rather fond of large swords and this one is quite large. I'm familiar with the whippy reputation of Windlass' larger swords but I already have a couple of their two handed offerings and find this reputation to be, perhaps, a bit unearned. Has anyone any experience with this particular sword? I would love to hear opinions! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Margshus Swashbuckler member is offline All that is needed for the prevailation of evil is for good men to do nothing. Joined: Aug 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 358 Location: Peterborough Ontario Karma: 40 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #1 on Jul 17, 2010, 1:43pm » Looks like a rough rendition of the war-sword attributed to Robert the Bruce. Shot at 2010-08-18 I looked at this one when she first was released to market. Coll looking greatsword. Once the size stats clicked in to my head, I decided against it. It about 3 inches longer than my Wallace claymore, and she's a beast. One massive chopper is good enough for me. Here is a snapshot of me with my Wallace, and I'm 6'2", 280lbs. I cant imagine adding 3 more inches to that. By margshus at 2010-04-17 « Last Edit: Aug 18, 2010, 3:26pm by Margshus » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Shot at 2010-08-26 brissybeater Swordmaster Review Points: 15 member is offline My l33t score ...... NNNOOOO!!!!!!! Joined: Oct 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 1,139 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Karma: 37 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #2 on Jul 17, 2010, 10:02pm » These are screenshots from SFI of a guy that bought the Sword of Pavia one of the other (and similar) pieces of the new line Yeah scungy rat tail like weld on, not pretty Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy. - Slartibartfast, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. "If you want to make enemies, try to change something". Wilson, Woodrow T "Fight Earnestly". Hans Talhoffer. chuckinohio Swordmaster member is offline Joined: Sept 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 573 Location: Troy, Ohio Karma: 19 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #3 on Jul 17, 2010, 10:36pm » ^^^^^^ That exact thread put me off of the whole new release of MRL two handers. Assuming that one could be gotten right on the secondary market, they may make good project blades. At retail, I would have to say BLECCCHHHH. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged If you knew what I could do to you with a frozen carrot, you would be very scared right now malchya Man at Arms member is offline Joined: Jun 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 47 Karma: 2 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #4 on Jul 17, 2010, 11:10pm » I've sent a couple of questions to Windlass and some vendors about the tang on the Hero's Warsword. I'll post the replies when and if they arrive. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged malchya Man at Arms member is offline Joined: Jun 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 47 Karma: 2 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #5 on Jul 17, 2010, 11:19pm » By the way, Margshus, thanks for the photo. That really puts the size of the beast into perspective! I'm an inch shorter and about 20 pounds heavier than you with a similar build, so I think the lovely monster might suit me. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged William Swiger Swordmaster member is offline The way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death. Joined: Mar 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 535 Location: US Armed Forces Europe Karma: 7 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #6 on Jul 18, 2010, 2:18am » Not liking that rat tail. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The Chivalry of the Knight Sir DeLavand By Fable Blades kidcasanova Swordmaster member is offline I Wanna Rock! Joined: Nov 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,656 Location: Orlando, FL Karma: 71 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #7 on Jul 18, 2010, 2:47am » That has to be some sort of blunder on the forge's behalf. Windlass is far from the best manufacturer, even in our price range, but I couldn't really see them intentionally releasing something with a tang like that. I looked on SFI and didn't see the thread, I'd love to hear more info about this.... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "Water buffalo, I like to use water buffalo for cutting targets and the goo goes everywhere." -- BrotherBanzai What would Gimli do? http://sbgswordforum.proboards70.com/ind....lay&thread=8210 -My design thread. Check it out. Margshus Swashbuckler member is offline All that is needed for the prevailation of evil is for good men to do nothing. Joined: Aug 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 358 Location: Peterborough Ontario Karma: 40 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #8 on Jul 18, 2010, 8:56am » BLECHH! Welded rat tail! Hope they're not all like that. Imagen that..an entire run of huge heavy two handers, all with welded tangs. I hope thats not the case. Hopefully it's just one. It would be interesting to see if others have this little surprise hidden under the grip. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Shot at 2010-08-26 chuckinohio Swordmaster member is offline Joined: Sept 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 573 Location: Troy, Ohio Karma: 19 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #9 on Jul 18, 2010, 10:10am » Kid brings up a very good point. I would assume( yeah I know) that with their market presence they would know better than to do something like that on purpose and then advertise it as "Battle Ready". Perhaps the forge did a little juke job on them, and there will be a re release in the future? The only one that I have seen pics of with the welded rat tail is the Pavia, no pics of the others have surfaced yet to see if that construction method is common throughout the line of new two handers. Heres the link to the SFI thread http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=101216 Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged If you knew what I could do to you with a frozen carrot, you would be very scared right now malchya Man at Arms member is offline Joined: Jun 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 47 Karma: 2 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #10 on Jul 19, 2010, 3:00pm » Okay guys, here's the reply from Kult of Athena: Steven, The Sword of Pavia, is not a rat tail tang, it is a tang extension. Not the best method by any means, but no where near as bad as a true rat tail. This method of construction can actually be quite durable and is pretty common in long handled functional swords because the weld is far removed from the stress point at the blade shoulders. There is a post about this on Sword Forum, which I assume you have seen? The poster even admits to "abusing" the sword by hitting a log with it as hard as he could. The fact that the sword actually survived this speaks to the validity of the construction method. Personally, I would have preferred the natural tang to extend further, but I guess Windlass disagrees. I have not disassembled the Hero's Warsword, but I'd assume a similar construction. The result is a decent sword suitable for light cutting, but I would not try and "torture test" it unless you want it to break. Actually that goes for any sword. It is always possible that there were some scratches on the sword when it was photographed, it could also be the lighting. In any case, you will not receive the exact sword pictured. As they are hand made each one is a little different. I hope this helps. Thanks Ryan Whittlinger www.KultOfAthena.com I'm open to opinions Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged brissybeater Swordmaster Review Points: 15 member is offline My l33t score ...... NNNOOOO!!!!!!! Joined: Oct 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 1,139 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Karma: 37 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #11 on Jul 19, 2010, 5:58pm » Oh yeah I gathered it stood up to the abuse, once, twice, fifteen times ....... but the sixteenth ......... snap ........ I imagine this weld is a result of the forging being done and its all but finished and a mistake happens. Okay, no big deal, can understand one doesnt want a perfectly good blade to go to waste. Its just if it was a sword YOU REALLY LOVED, and wanted it long term and use it often the mileage would be limited before it broke and blades breaking are dangerous affairs. But hey I guess its why windlass have sword sales and not moat blade sales. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say, "Hang the sense of it," and keep yourself busy. - Slartibartfast, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. "If you want to make enemies, try to change something". Wilson, Woodrow T "Fight Earnestly". Hans Talhoffer. TheJabberwock Man at Arms member is offline Joined: Feb 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 31 Karma: 2 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #12 on Jul 19, 2010, 9:53pm » The key here is that it is forge welded together. If it beaks at the weld, you take/ send it to a smith who knows what he is doing, and he can forge weld it back together for you. If he is good, it will be as strong as it was before. It is completely historical (look at the tiny tangs on authentic viking swords some time, if you want to see a terrifyingly small tang on a sword meant for ABUSE), and not a flaw or problem. And if it becomes a problem, it is one that is easily fixable. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Yrx Swashbuckler member is offline Lollard Knight Joined: Jan 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 333 Karma: 15 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #13 on Jul 20, 2010, 5:03pm » Eh... I know I wouldn't want a sword that size with a tang that size. I'm not aware of any terrifyingly small tangs on historic viking swords, either, but it also goes without saying that a smaller sword can get by with a smaller tang (as evidenced by Bill Tsafa's tire pell tests on the main website). Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged The sky is still midnight, the grass is still green And many great things are that never have been The voice of the earth sings the song of the King And God watches down upon everything chuckinohio Swordmaster member is offline Joined: Sept 2009 Gender: Male Posts: 573 Location: Troy, Ohio Karma: 19 Re: Windlass Hero's Warsword « Reply #14 on Jul 20, 2010, 10:35pm » Jul 19, 2010, 9:53pm, TheJabberwock wrote: The key here is that it is forge welded together. If it beaks at the weld, you take/ send it to a smith who knows what he is doing, and he can forge weld it back together for you. If he is good, it will be as strong as it was before. It is completely historical (look at the tiny tangs on authentic viking swords some time, if you want to see a terrifyingly small tang on a sword meant for ABUSE), and not a flaw or problem. And if it becomes a problem, it is one that is easily fixable. That joint does not look to be forge welded to me, it bears the signs of being MIG welded and then ground to fit the I.D. of the grip. If you look at the rat tail in the bottom pic, immediately above the juncture with the tang on the top side, there is clearly the toe of a fillet weld visible. That tang extension was electrically welded on. If done properly, it is a legitimate construction method. The key word being IF. I would trust it more if I had done it myself, and had TIG welded it to the tang properly. « Last Edit: Jul 20, 2010, 10:36pm by chuckinohio » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged If you knew what I could do to you with a frozen carrot, you would be very scared right now Page 1 of 2 » Jump to page   Go     Forum Jump--------------------» Home--------------------» General--------------------- General Discussion Board --- SBG Site News and Updates- Sword Manufacturers Talk --- Manufacturers and Vendors Shop Talk --- SBG Discounts- SBG Competitions and Members Collections Gallery --- Members Collections --- Archived Competitions- SBG Special Projects --- SBG Beauty and the Blade Calender --- Kokoro Ichi Project--------------------» Discussions of Swords, Traditional Weapons & Medieval Equipment--------------------- Ancient Swords- European Medieval and Renaissance Swords- Fantasy Swords- Japanese Swords- Chinese Swords- Post Renaissance and Military Swords- Other Traditional Weapons- Armour and Shields--------------------» Reviews--------------------- Sword Reviews --- Review Index --- VIP Reviewer Lounge --- VIP Reviewer Profile- Other Weapons and Armor --- Review Index--------------------» Sword Smithing, Customization and Design--------------------- Sword Repair and Maintenance- Sword Customization Projects- Weapon Making Discussion --- Sword Making Stickies --- Fable Blade Creations- Training Weapon Making Discussion- Tools and Toolmaking- Member Designs--------------------» Training--------------------- General Sword Training- Live Steel and Stage Combat- Asian Martial Arts (JSA, Gumdo, etc)- Western Martial Arts (WMA)- Cutting Vids and Tips--------------------» History--------------------- Sword History- Other Traditional Weapons- Misc History--------------------» Off Topic --------------------- SBG Forum Cafe --- Administration --- politcs-graveyard --- Technical Stuff and FAQ- New Members Welcome Wagon!- Firearms Discussion & History- Role Playing Threads