I'm new to the forum and have always liked edged weapons. I found the SBG site and have spent many enjoyable hours reading the reviews and the many posts on the forum. Like all of you, there are so many swords I would like to own, and will over time own many. I've come across a Windlass sword called the American Revolution Saber, and I'm find myself looking over and over at it's simple, yet delightful lines. I'm wondering if anyone here has had the chance to review or at least handle one for fun? The price is very good and if it is a good example of a saber, I would love to try it out as a backyard cutter like many of you have with other swords. I have a Cheness Katana and Wakizashi, but I would hate to beat them up because they are just beautiful!
Post by Kilted Cossack on Mar 27, 2009 10:17:34 GMT -5
Greetings! I'm in the same boat you are regarding the Windless American Revolution saber. I think it's a somehow minimalist yet elegant sword. It's on my short list. If you'll review the previous posts in this section, I believe Hotspur has written that it looks sound and solid to him, which, in my book, is a pretty good recommendation. (He's been paying attention to these things for quite a while.)
Post by Charles Appel on Mar 27, 2009 10:45:44 GMT -5
I have one of the American Revolution Sabers and will be doing a review on it in the next month or so. All I can say now it that it appears to be reasonably decent. I've only had a chance to do a small amount of cutting with it as yet but it seems to do a fairly good job.
Charles Appel "A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." - Robert Heinlein
I hate to speak in complete authority until either having had it in hand or someone can bounce some real time feedback off it. Like the looks of the German hunting sword, I like the looks of the blades for these, while the fittings sometimes appear chunky and funky. of what I have studied visually on the American Revolution sword, I am just a bit troubled that the pommel itelf would be hard to upgrade or modify in a more sensible appearance. The squarish look to the rest of the hilt could be easily improved.
At any rate, I kind of like these efforts and the sword has been around for awhile, making the current pricing very affordable in this market niche.
I look forward to some handling remarks and sharpening if it has been done by Windlass/MRL (or KOA through Windlass/MRL).
Hotspur; still coonsidering a discontinued Denix cutlass that looked very promising in looks. Straight out of the Neumann book
I had the opportunity to hold this saber in my hands almost a year ago. I held it for like 30 seconds, didn't do any swings, dry handling or cuts (it was in a shop full of people, didn't seem like a good idea, although it would have a been a sure way to be in the newspaper). I was able to hold it and do a few very slow movements with it, so please take my words with a pinch of salt.
Overall, this saber felt a bit dead in hand, although it seemed functionnal and sturdy, the handling felt a bit unpleasant. I'd say it felt a bit heavy (not blade-heavy, more like holding a very slim brick), like the blade doesn't ''want'' to be swung. The blade had very little distal taper, which probably explains that feeling in hand. Since you already have a Cheness katana, this saber will probably feel less responsive and lively compared to the other swords you have.
But, again, take my opinion and my impressions with some salt ...
Also, in my opinion, I don't think a Windlass product would be the best beater available, since that is what you are looking for. Some Windlass swords tend to start rattling after a few hard hits (I'm thinking about my Shasqa and Shootermike's falchion) and require some home-made repairs and customisations to be more resilient, especially around their hilts. Maybe this saber is one of the better, stronger Windlass blades and what I just said doesn't apply, or maybe it is like I just said ... Maybe Mr. Appel review will enlighten us on that point
First and foremost is an own person's feelings regarding what may appeal to them. For instance (and I'm sure I'll hear shrieks of dismay) If I were looking for a sword for backyard cutting , I would have to consider something like this. csarms.com/scripts/csa_view2.asp?ID=3678
There are a large number of 20th century period swords one might choose from. IN that one linked example, not a sword I would enshrine as something irreplacable or irreverant in using to have fun with.
Secondly, none are going to handle like a fencing epee or foil, or even a sport fencing sabre. If someone is entirely unfamiliar with the genre of longer bladed sabres, what they miss may be less than relebvant as to a choice. There is/was a diffrence amongst even period examples of the same model, so where to draw the line for fun?
I have not handled the Atlanta cutlery 1840 and probably never will. Would I advise against it? Probably not. I can only judge my experience with a much different India made sabre. When I bought it, I realized it wouldn't feel the same as some period swords I have in hand here, I simply set out to be comfortanle with it myself. I'm sure my own experience with another offering would likewise become a matter of getting the best of it that I can. Basically, one person's poison might well become someone elses favorite. I often question what some relate their own experience with an item. One in particular (not associated with this thread at all) was enough feedback from a certain person's reaction to it that my feelings were enough feedback to put it on a "I like the sound of that, even in that the person was panning it as too nose heavy and a brick (not saying the AR sword mentioned here might well make it to be).
In the end, I bought my reproduction sabre specifically to my end, whatever the handling might have presented to me when I oonce had it in hand. I'm pretty handy at getting the best use of any tool.
This thread reminded me that G.G.Godwin has updated his site a bit. I'm only more likely to try the eagle pommel presented there. that's just me. I know it likely won't handle as well as my originals but hey, beats beating on a period sword I have that I do cut with. www.gggodwin.com/
I say pick what appeals but do consider at least what differences we see that can make or break one's own happiness.
Hotspur; There are countless WWI era swords for reasonable money that would make for wonderful bottle and mat fun
Hotspur, Much appreciated advice. Thanks. If you or anyone else can steer me towards a good choice in sabers, thank you. My knowledge of swords is limited to only what I've been lucky enough to handle. Unfortunately, it's only been katanas. I've jumped out on a limb and ordered a VA Atrim Arming sword based on many reviews/opinions as a great medieval example and I can't wait to try it! Sabers don't have the following like katanas or many medieval swords, so it is somewhat more difficult to get an idea of a great example. Apparently most don't sound like they handle like the originals-Too bad as that would be mostly what I would like. How accurate of a replica is less important.
Kiltedcossack, What say you after reading this discussion? Are you still interested in this Saber? I must admit, even with the possible shortcomings (possible feel, handling, durability) I still like the looks and still would like a try at one. Several Windlass reviews are quite good regarding the handling and durability of their swords, so perhaps it may be the particular sword-I can't say. I think if Charles' review comes out positive (hurry up Charles!! ;D), I can't see for the price to NOT buy it.
Hotspur, Your comment about WWI sabers intrigues me. Where would you recommend looking?
In a previous post you mentioned wondering about the Windlass 1840 and what came to mind was possible modern alternatives. The link I offered was one of many like it. The 1906 linked is identical to the lighter version of the French 1822, of which the US modeled to be the 1840.
As for usable WWI period swords, I would suggest what may become a long trek for any. Between my browsing Ebay and antique dealer sites, I have bookmarked just about 300 sites. One might be interested in just scanning the horizon a bit via an Ebay search like this. Click Here
In the end, it becomes a very subjective and personal quest. i mentioned this next link just the other day to someone in remarking about a couple of French officer cavalry swords and even a foot officer sword sans scabbard for $120. Not too many days ago I had linked a site with a similar $300 find that did sell to someone (anyone here?).
On the reproduction end, there are numerous threads below that do mention swords like the Atlanta cutlery offerings. Again, it becomes a fairly subjective endeavor.
A very basic search on Google is where I have ended up bookmarking as many as I do. It's really a matter fof finding what one is really looking for, for any purpose. Along with reproductions, it was a couple of years in browsing before I had ever bought my first reproduction.. Amongst all those choices are swords I own that some like very little but I happen to enjoy them. The same things are true of many hobbies.
Hotspur; a Fellow named Freebooter has posted about the American Civil War swords from Atlanta Cutlery
Hotspur, Your comment about WWI sabers intrigues me. Where would you recommend looking?
Following Glen's suggestion to look to later military swords, there is a nice Spanish 1907 "Puerto Seguro" Cavalry Trooper's Sword in the SFI Antiques classifieds for only $200. Obviously not a Revolutionary War era design, but still a nice sword at a good price. And something that may be good for some backyard fun.
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